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>> they are. >> they're concerned because they don't feel like they understand what happened. they don't feel like they've got a plausible explanation but they're not going to turn on her. with respect to the foundation stuff you mentioned, there's a lot of questions about appearances. real really only one mine for question. $500,000 gift. >> at the moment. >> from algeria. i come back to what lawrence said. clearly at some point the e-mails are going to get read. it's going to take long time which is not in her interest to have this drag on. if at the end of all that there's a few katty remar...

This stuff. . and what is at risk here is not how republicans or democrats see her. it's how 2 million swing state independents who become our next president sees this. and the danger for hillary is the story line of her exceeding or going beyond the rules. you know the foundation stuff that came last week is another chapter. really very much part of the same political narrative. and the other problem is it probably has legs. there's probably more turns of the screw. not just the content of the e-mails, but if the republicans can challenge whether her staff accurately selected those e-mails th...

This foundation stuff the rest of our lives, i'll be happy. if she changes her mind and decides to run, i'll be happy. >> johnathan, if he decides to run, he'll be happy. big surprise. >> he's being a supportive husband. what else do you want him to say? it's the right thing for him to say. but, you know, i agree with my darling wife karen finney when she says that, you know, secretary clinton is tired. folks want her to be able to, as she says, get off the high wire she's been on for the last 20 years and to rest and do what she wants to do. in an interview she did last year, maybe a year and...

Bill clinton said she has to make that decision for herself. everything she has telegraphed so far suggests she's too tired to do it, but you never know. she might change her mind in a few years. >> well, david, i mean, we have heard her say she's tired. she wants to get off the high wire of american politics. but bill clinton, let me show you this. her husband seems a little perfectly willing to let his wife run, although he thinks she's sincere. let me show you what he said. >> and i believe that she's being absolutely honest with you when she says she doesn't think she'll go back into polit...

Tone. and also talk of 2016, the presidential race is already heating up, if you can believe it, hillary clinton has ruled on the running for vice president but in an interview today, bill clinton said this. i believe that she's being absolutely honest with you when she says she doesn't think she'll go back into politics but if she comes home and we do this foundation stuff for the rest of our lives, i'll be happy, if she changes her mind and cities to run, i'll be happy. what do you make of that? bill: you think she wants it or does he want it? >> i think they would probably both be intereste...