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Opinion. and a rather wild one, especially before the trump era. but it might be a fact, and if it's a fact, how does journalism, how does the new york times, and publications like that, deal with it? >> i think it's an enormous challenge, institutions like the new york times develop a certain mode of operating in a very very different moment in american political history. one when the differences between the two political parties were not nearly as profound as they are today. and in which on a subject of divisive about tax cuts, or whatever, you would present different points of view in the n...

How do you say, i've always like the sierra club, i grew up camping in the sierras, give money to the sierra club, i think john muir is really cool. i read your founding statement about protecting and enjoying the environment, i totally agree with that as a sportsman. p then, i see you coming out in all kinds of issue they don't appear related at all to be to the environment. i'm confused. for example, you issued a report's release saying that president trump's border tax in mexico is going to be used to pay for the wall is enough phobic. you can debate that. why is that within your purview as...

Opposed president trump's cabinet pick. he joins us from oakland, california. thanks a lot for coming on. how do you say, i've always like the sierra club, i grew up camping in the sierras, give money to the sierra club, i think john muir is really cool. i read your founding statement about protecting and enjoying the environment, i totally agree with that as a sportsman. then, i see you coming out in all kinds of issue they don't appear related at all to be to the environment. i'm confused. for example, you issued a report's release saying that president trump's border tax in mexico is going ...