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Which, you know, fox ran with it, and it's an old strategy to demonize black people, to make white people afraid, and it's worked throughout history. it's worked -- it's broken up immigrant groups. >> don't you think it gets a heck of a lot more serious when the money is involved and people know they are getting the shaft economically and it's not fair. that is bad remedy for america, i think. >> it's a terrible remedy for america. we're all worried about the lives of our children, and we don't -- you know, i think that -- that democrats have not been great at articulating this place we're at,...

Perception is not that secretary vilsack made an honest mistake like you did. and -- >> why not? we both made the same mistakes. >> he's the decision maker. >> but he's running around like i'm running around. he's in ohio. somebody calls him and says this woman said this. he doesn't know who the woman is. i'm going to cut him a little slack. i'll going to say he did exactly what i did. >> cut him all the slack you want. i won't. i think number one, he fired her on instructions from the white house because they wanted to stop fox news from running the story and getting embarrassed and they felt...

Vilsack made an honest mistake like you did. and -- >> why not? we both made the same mistakes. >> he's the decision maker. >> but he's running around like i'm running around. he's in ohio. somebody calls him and says this woman said this. he doesn't know who the woman is. i'm going to cut him a little slack. i'll going to say he did exactly what i did. >> cut him all the slack you want. i won't. i think number one, he fired her on instructions from the white house because they wanted to stop fox news from running the story and getting embarrassed and they felt if they fired him after fox ran,...

Vilsack made an honest mistake like you did. and -- >> why not? we both made the same mistakes. >> he's the decision maker. >> but he's running around like i'm running around. he's in ohio. somebody calls him and says this woman said this. he doesn't know who the woman is. i'm going to cut him a little slack. i'll going to say he did exactly what i did. >> cut him all the slack you want. i won't. i think number one, he fired her on instructions from the white house because they wanted to stop fox news from running the story and getting embarrassed and they felt if they fired him after fox ran,...