i have all these press people. nobody gets me any good coverage. weak was it. ineffective was it. why can t you do things? i don t care what you re saying right now. that doesn t make sense. that s bull we re cable. it s okay. and other words i will not say. a lot of cursing would happen. that type of thing. he d curse at you. mm-hmm. how would it end? how would that resolve itself, if at all? would he walk off? would you leave? i would leave. i would leave, and then i personally would stay hidden for a little while. then you d see him again and it was like nothing ever happened. i think that was part of the weird thing. you d walk into a room, if i would get summoned, and i didn t know who i was going to meet. there is a donald trump that s very funny and can be very kind and, you know, you think he is listening to you. and then there s the one i was just talking about. you talk a lot about
that. i think that he likes to control people s thoughts that way. he views these people as fighters and fighting for him, and then he just covers it up with words like patriots. they re not patriots. they re out there destroying our country. the book, you know, i left d.c., and the last six months of the white house for me were difficult. i resigned on january 6th, as you guys know, and i went way far away to middle america. it took me some time to almost decompress or, you know, be deprogrammed. i had a lot of time to reflect. while i was doing that, you know, i was watching from afar. i was no longer in that bubble of the white house clearly or washington, d.c. the fact that he is pushing this election lie is scary to me. and the fact he is the front runner right now for if he were to run for office. that is scary.
myself. again, this you weren t a short timer. you were a lifer. yeah. the number of choices that you made over five or six years, it s immeasurable. uh-huh. i mean, it s hard to say, oh, i just realized now, after six years, that this was all a really bad idea. yup. a deadly, in some cases, bad idea. i have had a lot of time to think about that. again, not an excuse, but i worked on the east wing side of the house for 2 1/2 years of that. so, again, naive as it may sound, i was really kind of blocked off from the west wing. in the west wing, everybody wanted to keep the east wing happy. so i didn t see a lot of the decisions being made or the toxic culture. and i was programmed at that time, that when his tweets would go out, people were too insensitive. it didn t matter.
experience was like is they don t trust her because she admitted in that interview that she was not truthful, she said she probably wasn t during the few interviews that she did do when she was press secretary. she talked about how she turned her head to a lot of things that were happening inside the trump west wing and i think that people will see that and they will say, why should i believe what she is saying now? and i think the other thing that could be true while also that being true is that she is talking about things that did happen inside the white house that other white house aides have not said publicly and they will not put their name next to, she is saying in this book, talking about the things the concerns she has about what a second trump term could look like. and it is not just talking about trump in the past, it is also talking about what could be a very real thing in the future, which is that trump is the republican front-runner as we are speaking right now for a pot
adviser. i had been trying to resign, actually, for the past six, seven months, and she d always talked me out of it. you know, asked me to stay strong. i actually had a resignation letter in a folder with no date for the last four months of the administration, that i just wanted to hand over if necessary. it was that bad for me. you talk over and over about botched attempts to leave. correct. you talk about the abusive environment. look, there s a lot of you mentioned this idea of destroying people. you say in your book that you were a destroyer. you were on the other side of this. mm-hmm. you do talk a lot about this in very clear terms, that you think this was an abusive environment. mm-hmm. i wonder and you also talk about having a background in that. so knowing that that mirrors some of your past experiences as well. can you tell us more about that and what it took to recover from that, if you have? i haven t yet. yes, i think, you know, when i