myself. >> again, this -- you weren't a short timer. you were a lifer. >> yeah. >> the number of choices that you made over five or six years, it's immeasurable. >> uh-huh. >> i mean, it's hard to say, oh, i just realized now, after six years, that this was all a really bad idea. >> yup. >> a deadly, in some cases, bad idea. >> i have had a lot of time to think about that. again, not an excuse, but i worked on the east wing side of the house for 2 1/2 years of that. so, again, naive as it may sound, i was really kind of blocked off from the west wing. in the west wing, everybody wanted to keep the east wing happy. so i didn't see a lot of the decisions being made or the toxic culture. and i was programmed at that time, that when his tweets would go out, people were too insensitive. it didn't matter.
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