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And the man turned on john gotti so robert mueller knows how to flip people. and we have seen that again today. >> frank, tell me more about that, what is it like to be in a room with bob mueller when he's putting these kind of screws to somebody? >> so, look, he gives direction well to his senior staff. he surrounds himself with people who have the skillsets to do that. and he's created that dream team in the special counsel's office right now. but what he does is, he is relentless in drilling down on the facts. he is data-driven and data-analytics driven. so if you're going to try to smoke h...

District of new york, now the executive director for the public advancement of integrity, and frank loozy, who in the past has worked for robert mueller. he is also an nbc national security analyst. there is so much to talk about with all of you tonight. ken, i want to start with you because you have been doing kind of the nitty grit fi day-to-day, your e-mails have begun guiding me through the afternoon and evening preparing us for the show tonight. can you walk us through what we learned tonight, what we should be paying the closest attention to? >> well, kasie, we have learned that a man wh...

Pardon if state charges are brought. but absolutely, kasie, the momentum is picking up in this investigation and it's very clear. and that indictment of 13 russians that laid out how the russians, at least in part, how the russians meddled in the election and laid out a grand conspiracy, that essentially laid the foundation for charging americans if evidence develops in the future. that really put a lot of cards on the table. and now we're seeing this series of guilty pleas. we're up to four cooperators. mueller is picking up the pace, it is very clear here, and i wouldn't be surprised to see ...

Investigation would further delay the security clearance process of senior adviser jared kushner. according to three people familiar with the discussion, the post also reports, quote, the justice department officials said rosenstein did not provide any details to the white house about the matters that need to be investigated related to kushner. with me to talk about this is ken thomas, white house reporter for the associated press, my former colleague, and frank figliuzzi is back with us. frank, thank you for sticking with us. i'm going to start with you because you have an understanding of be...

Jared kushner because of this wide-ranging role that kushner plays that could be seen by some as undercutting john kelly's ability to have full access to full range over policies within the white house. so all of this is kind of coming, you know, to a head. and it will be very interesting to see how john kelly handles this issue. the president is essentially punting to john kelly on this one, giving him the wherewithall to make the leeway. at the same time, we heard the president speak so highly of jared kushner. it's hard to imagine that john kelly would create a situation in which jared kush...