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Take a listen to what he had to say. >> i think right now it will be sleepy joe, i think. i feel he'll limp across the line, that's what i think so what i think doesn't mean anything, i know the other people, i know him. i think he's off his game by a lot. but i think personally i think it's going to be sleepy joe. >> so that's his projection. we'll have to see if that actually bears out. >> yeah. >> but clearly trying to take aim at the person who is currently the democratic front runner. i would also make one more final point, chris, they'll be watching closely to see what is said about the ...

Swing state pennsylvania, "the new york times" reports on the democratic summer picnic, let me read this. it's from bucks county, quote, a woman says i'm leaving progress vix in the backseat for pragmatism. among a circling of activists in the picnic in bucks count it, a swing town and a swing county and a swing state there, many nods. the party stahl wards were wrestling with the old tug of whether to follow their heart or head in picking a candidate. donna, kristen brings up healthcare. one of the things that made, frankly, a lot of democrats i talked to in had the last debate was that when ...