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Some kind of liberal fifth column inside the federal government. >> i'm very concerned that the doj and the fbi, whether you want to call it deep state or what, are kind of off the rails. >> there are those who look at comments like the ones you're making and saying republicans are working to essentially try to discredit the department of justice, and thus discredit the russia investigations. is that not what you're doing? >> no, i don't want to discredit them, i would like to see the directors of those agencies purge it. and say, look, we've got a lot of great agents, a lot of great lawyers h...

In a state or local trial, you would actually ask for a gag order, because it's ruining the jury pool. he's doing this on a national level now with regard to a special counsel investigation. he's attack welcome you know, a single individual, and tainting any conclusion, because he's fearful of the conclusion. >> we've also seen the general counsel, jim baker, these are people formerly generally anonymous, be removed by christopher wray, the political appointee. he now too is coming under fire. what do you make of that? >> again, we're seeing a concerted strategy. identify got to tell you this,...

His allies, which is that the fbi amounts to essentially a kind of like subversive left sympathetic fifth column. like, how does that square with your experience in the bureau? >> it's crazy. it's just -- look, it's almost the equivalent of being a public defender. you don't have to believe in your client. you can still give them a good defense. this is the same thing. and i've got to tell you, talking to line agents, not like frank, who was a -- you know, at the top of the rung here, but line agents who are actually doing this stuff. it's very much what betsy is saying. they look at this and ...

Already with the new director wray coming on. >> great to have you, frank. now i'm joined by betsy woodruff, politics reporter for "the daily beast,". betsy, what's remarkable about this sort of bizarreo world we've entered into, the republican party, which has done so much rhetorically to bend over backwards, to put itself on the side of law enforcement, no matter what law enforcement has done, blue lives matter, we support cops and law enforcement, even in the wake of what seems like pretty obvious and serious law enforcement misconduct at the local level, is now running a kind of end mass c...