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Giuliani, and no way would they trust him honestly to turn over everything that they're looking for. so they're going about this the right way. as jeffrey said, we'll see where it takes us down the road. but if i were rudy giuliani, i would be worrying for sure. >> kara, we still don't know exactly what rudy giuliani did for lev parnas's company, which is actually called fraud guarantee, right? it is. that's the name. it's a laugh line every time. >> it's too on the nose as they say. >> giuliani earned $500,000. we don't know doing what. could that fill in any blanks? >> well, what's interesti...

>> we still don't know exactly what rudolph giuliani did for l lev's company. it is called fraud guarantee. a last line every time. >> too on the nose. giuliani earned $500,000. we don't know doing what. could that fill in any blanks? >> rudolph giuliani has only said that he has done legal advice for this company for half a million dollars and he was paid in august of 2018. what we've also learned is that a lawyer for a plaintiff's attorney who invested in the company, he said he's the one that paid giuliani and it was a loan to the company of the he thought would it help credibility. it's no...

All those statutes that you just read to me is a warning shot, and it's something that would concern me a lot if i was representing rudy giuliani, and those crimes are largely the same crime that parnas is charged with. >> i don't know if you need to be a legal scholar like elie to connect some of these dots. rudy giuliani was making a ton of money from fraud guarantee, lev parnas's company as was trump's legal advisers, jody genova. of course prosecutors were looking into this. lev parnas is accused of funneling money, ukrainian money into u.s. politics. i mean, follow the money. >> exactly. ...

Develop all this information that began the pressure campaign and it clearly seems to come from the mashinations of parnas and fruman. trying to get investigators in a company, if you can believe it, called fraud insurance. >> fraud guarantee. >> fraud guarantee, sorry. and somehow they got a florida personal injury lawyer to put up $500,000 that then went to them, then to giuliani. if that's how donald trump's legal bills were being paid, that raise as whole host of other questions about the financial benefits going to the president himself. >> and we've got the "wall street journal" reportin...

>> right. >> and i'm not sure the house is going to give him immunity when these kind of serious charges are being investigated by the southern district. i just want to add one quick point about one of the many mysteries here is who was paying for guiliani's trips to madrid, to kiev, all around the world to develop all this information that began the pressure campaign. and it clearly seems to come from the machinations of parnas and fruman. they were dangling the idea that people -- trying to get investors in a company, if you can believe it, called fraud insurance. >> fraud guarantee. >> frau...