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Right? and tweet kyour support of the president. what a disgrace to feel threatened. you're a diplomat serving your country and to get a phone call at 1:00 in the morning saying you have to get on a plane asap for your own security. this is something out of a bad movie. to hear her testimony, someone who is ill prepared for this type of scenario has been serving her country, has been promoting western values in ukraine to be basically sitting as a lame duck in ukraine because even the ukrainian officials don't know whether she has any relevance at that point. you know, mike pompeo has a lot to...

Federal government. i think that was mr. parnas. if that happens -- >> not good news for mr. giuliani. >> who knows. who knows. again i've said if you started a company called fraud guarantee, i don't know -- as mr. parnas did, i don't know if you're ever going to be credible. if the company you started was fraud guarantee. ambassador mcfaul, as always, sir, thank you very much. joining me now to unpack all of this today, betsy woodruff swan, michael steele, former rnc chairman, and ruth marcus, also an msnbc contributor. well, betsy, the weirdest thing about the gordon sondland today, is it w...

Then the president is a little bit of a mark for rudy. how do thouey end up in his circle? >> apparently they hire him for their firm which is called "fraud guarantee." he just gets enmeshed with these two guys. it's basically what giuliani did with donald trump. they get a lot of access because they say they work with giuliani. >> they're running the exact same, a junior version of rudy giuliani except they're now indicted and he's under investigation. >> about right. >> great piece. thank you so much. [ applause ] coming up, a new poll shows an astonishing number of americans think this is...

And it's like the russian nesting dolls of con men and marks. i can't tell who's doing the conning and who's the mark. it seems like rudy's the mark for them. and then the president's a little bit of a mark for trump -- for rudy, like how do lev parnas and igor fruman end up in his circle? >> right, so apparently they hire him for their firm which is called fraud guarantee, and the reason it's called fraud guarantee is the guy committed fraud and he didn't want when people googled his name he didn't want it be a negative thing. it's basically what giuliani did with trump where he basically get...

Energy producers, the liquefied natural gas powerhouse the men bragged about, had no income or significant assets. even parnas' company, fraud guarantee, that paid rudy giuliani's $500,000 fee, doesn't appear to be a company at all. its registration is expired. according to philadelphia attorney bruce marx, parnas and fruman approached his client, a ukrainian billionaire, earlier this year. they wanted a six-figure payment. in exchange, they told the billionaire they could set up a meeting between the new ukrainian president and a delegation of american officials. marx says his client threw th...