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Directly from someone. well, does anybody think that when the romney super pact came calling and asked john jones to give $10 million that governor romney didn't know about that or wasn't going find out about that? ludicrous. ludicrous. >> i think there's -- >> i would argue your side of the mchutchin case, but i don't think it matters. i think citizens united has ripped asundayer any shred of control we had, and that's a fact, and mr. mchutchin, call me. i will show you how to do this. we're about 100th of what you are paying those lawyers. >> fred, i don't know. i mean, i guess on a practica...

Criticism about granting special access to big spenders. something that put white house press secretary jay carney in an awkward position yesterday. >> without advocacy organizations, and this has been true in prior administrations and true in this one. >> 500,000 does not guarantee you access to the president. >> this is an independent organization. i would point you to that organization for how it raises its money. it has said quite clearly distinguishing it from other organizations that it will disclose its donors. i would point -- i would direct your questions to them. >> we'll discuss whe...

There are enormous stakes in the mchutchin decision. the supreme court has never declared a contribution limit on constitutional in its history. these aggregate limits have been upheld by the supreme court in the past. we have a hostile supreme court now. they created the super pact problem, and we have got to do the best we can while this supreme court is around. they won't last forever, and times will change, but with this system now, we have to do the most we can to protect ordinary americans from their government being corrupted and from federal office holders being corrupted. >> governor ...

That you got all of this unlimited capital because not only is speech money, but corporations are people. so what you end up doing is reinforcing the values of the rich. president obama has a legacy at stake which says i wanted to speak against this. he can't avoid the optics of being now coopted by this influence no matter how much rebellion and resistance you want to put forth, and i am sympathetic to the argument that while you're in the cave with the bear, until you cage him up, have you to fight him. i get that point. so that reform -- these republicans are horrible, they don't -- they ar...