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but at this point, don, it's a negotiation, and i think the committee will do whatever they can to get that testimony out of cipollone. >> john, you've been saying on this program and to anyone who will listen that you think it's critical cipollone testifies publicly like you did. are there legitimate privilege issues that would justify him testifying in a transcribed interview limited to specific topics? or should he appear in a more public manner? >> i think he's got to appear in a more public manner, and i don't think there's any privileges in that area they're focusing on. we've ...

are there legitimate privilege issues that would justify him testifying in a transcribed interview limited to specific topics? or should he appear in a more public manner? >> i think he's got to appear in a more public manner, and i don't think there's any privileges in that public area they're focusing on. we've already had courts look at the issue. there's no attorney-client privilege for crime or fraud. cipollone i think has a larger problem. he advised the president against doing these things because there were conspiracies involved, several of them. what's to say that he's ever ...

Brutalized? george floyd said i can't breathe 28 times and they didn't believe him in minneapolis. eric gardener in staten island, new york, said i can't breathe 19 times, and they didn't believe him. and now you have bradley cox in new haven, connecticut, tell the police i think my neck is broken and they don't believe him. >> yet you talked about what happened to freddy grave, it's the first thing i taught about when i learned this story. that was in 2015 transported in the police van. and we know the outcome of that. the officers they were charged, but they were never prosecuted for anythin...

Believe him in minneapolis. eric gardener in staten island, new york, said i can't breathe 19 times, and they didn't believe him. and now you have bradley cox in new haven, connecticut, tell the police i think my neck is broken and they don't believe him. >> yet you talked about what happened to freddy grave, it's the first thing i thought about when i learned this story. that was in 2015 transported in the police van. and we know the outcome of that. the officers they were charged, but they were never prosecuted for anything. they didn't face any sort of disciplinary action. what do you want ...