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Attempted coup or insurrection. those who whitewash the reality of what happened, how does that fuel extremism? >> there's no question at that changing people's perceptions, their perception becoming their reality is becoming entrenched here, and it's a strategy moving forward, alicia. look at what's happening with replacement, violent threats against election officials, replacement of those election officials with people aligned with the trump base, and what is that about? it's about really controlling the election. and if you can't control the election, then they're going to control the perc...

Like teaching civics in schools and critical thinking. those are specific acts that we can take to help prevent another january 6th. >> frank, to jill's point about arguing over facts, which is where we find ourselves in this current environment, i want to bring back a new npr poll shows just 10% of republicans are willing to describe january 6th as an attempted coup or insurrection. your estimation of how rhetoric from republicans, those who whitewashed the reality of what happened, how does that fuel extremism? >> there's no question that changing people's perceptions, their perception becom...

Certainly as these trials get started, it will stretch over the next three, four years. >> frank, i don't know if you had a chance to read the resolution. i have been encouraging our readers to print it out, read it for themselves. it is about page long. it is striking from beginning to end, in the resolution the rnc also airs its grievances against democrats, a lot of rhetoric here, saying democrats want to replace liberty with socialism, eliminate border security, create, quote, inflation designed to steal the american dream. i bring all of that up because you lair it on top of they're sayin...

Democrats. there's a lot of rhetoric here, saying that democrats want to replace liberty with socialism, eliminate border security, create "inflation designed to steal the american dream." i bring all of that up because you layer it on top of their saying that this was legitimate political discourse. how does the language writ large actually help fuel extremism? >> well, it certainly doesn't help. in fact, it further radicalizes people. look, this has all of the hallmarks of a strategy, a coordinated strategy to shape the hearts and minds of a certain segment of the population and kind of inti...

And nothing could be further from the truth and nothing could be more dangerous. we do have a common enemy, and our common enemy is extremism and the radical ideology's that fuel extremism. and homegrown terrorism is not firewalled from terrorism which happens overseas. muslims are today the largest victims of suicide bombings, whether it's in iraq, in afghanistan, in pakistan, in other parts of the world. america is not islam's enemy, which is my message when i go to speak on behalf of the state department in the muslim world, and islam is not america's enemy, which is a message that i try to...