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So he doesn't have anybody he can call in because he doesn't want to -- he doesn't want everybody to know that he's aligned with trump. so i just think that's a campaign. that's a functioning campaign. >> one thing, i'm for mcauliffe to be clear but youngkin has done a good job presenting himself as an outsider, what everyone really thinks of that. but mcauliffe was governor for four years and i -- he was a pretty good governor and once -- >> of that sounds like a terrible resume. he was governor, but -- >> the voters are so intent to change. it's a well-governed state. low unemployment. you h...

So he is more of a functioning campaign. he has an operation. and he could -- we know that he's funding, you know, in the facebook arena. and so that's a concern to me as well. like, we are going to be outfunded by the other side, and they're going to use it to do harm. >> i want to come back to both these with you. but first on what the government's doing. i think one of the most startling things to have watched over the last two years is that the national security officials are often at odds with the public statements of the president on this question of russia. no one more so than current f...

More of a functioning campaign. we know he's funding in the facebook arena, and so that's a concern to me as well. we're going to be out-funded by the other side and they're going to use it to do home. >> i want to come back to both of these with you. but first on what the government is doing, i think one of the most startling things to have watched over the last two years is the government, national security officials are often at odds for ott public statement of the president on this question of russia. no one more so than current fbi director chris wray. watch this. >> maligned foreign infl...

April? how does she combat things like maureen dowd's column in "the new york times" which took her apart. >> that was quite the column. your question is really appropriate. from what i've heard from democratic think tankers and even the hill was that there was a very little actual outreach from clinton and her aides with respect to disseminating talking points and that's part of the problem not having a functioning campaign right now. this will all change once she staffs up and has a communications operation. until then it's a real tricky task. how do you go about getting someone out there to...

Later. i think we are headed for long-term realignment. that's a separate conversation. what took trump so long to get to michigan. >> they don't have a functioning campaign. they didn't see where the opportunities were. a famous anecdote, karl rove going to see trump and karl rove saying it's crazy, don't campaign in california and new york. you don't have a chance. and going out and saying i can't wait to campaign in california and new york. >> it wasn't reality. >> and you elected him in illinois and iowa. in the presidential years, you made an effort in minnesota and michigan, but it didn'...