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How powerful a barrier, you can cut through anything. doesn't that suggest the wall might not be a worthwhile investment? >> not only does it suggest that. i think that when we go down in medieval strategy, at least we need to go all the way. the medieval fortresses around major cities in europe required hundreds of thousands of personnel to man them, to defend them. they're only useful barriers to slow them down. we don't really have a functioning wall. we have a fence that can easily be cut through. it's only creating more chaos on the border, not less. >> so despite president trump's effort...

He w he was touching a wall. he acts like it exists. >> he made this such a center piece of his administration. he can't admit he has been unsuccessful making it happen. it is not a good way to secure the border. but he is speaking to the base. he is imagining it is done. >> congressman -- it is a 2,000 mile long border. can we afford a hard wall? >> we're talking about barriers. a wall, a fence. you heard d.c. speak, you heard concrete wall is what you fact checked. there are steel walls. there are walls on the border today. there are areas of the border that need a functioning wall to keep u...