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Democratic party about whether the whole fundraising structure should be small donor, the small donor system works. and i think this debate is sort of ridiculous as it is. we would like to be drinking some of the wine right now, but it shows -- >> 8:33 a.m.? >> this is a real debate, and what's interesting is someone like the winery, you think rich, billionaire, but hall is a former u.s. ambassador, has been involved in texas politics as well as california politics, is involved in affirmative action and legal aid programs. sometimes these donors aren't just big-money donors who want to buy acc...

>> in terms of the other strong contenders for 2016, we talk about chris christie, we talk about maybe scott walker, both subject to federal and state investigations, assuming their names are cleared in those, does the entrance of jeb bush put their candidacy on ice? >> i don't know about on ice. for chris christie i don't think it means anything. we all know he likes a fight. scott walker, i'm not sure. i think what governor bush has done today is send a clear message not to take anything for granted. >> yes he's actively exploring the possibility -- yes. >> so to the fundraising question, i ...