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Big, so robust with the capability and credibility that is a measure of last resort, it will be used. but when we do use it, it must be decisively and overwhelmingly to defeat any enemy. we don't want parity. we don't want to close to parity. we want to remain the sole superpower and use that force judiciously to defend our freedom and economy around the world. >> and we attempted the incrementmentalism and go here and there and result in the stalemate we had to walk away from. and fortunately, vietnam is a friend and with the president's visit. one thing that kirk said is correct. it's not on...

And say, impermissible. you give it up or we're going to blow you off the face of the earth. that's not the right approach. you've backed them into a corner. this is a guy who kills his relatives to stay in power. there's no reason to think in a use it or lose it situation, that he would suddenly become a humanitarian and say oh, i give up. i don't want to have these innocent people killed. >> lieutenant commander rogers, is it posable to have north korea at this point get rid of his nuclear capabilities? >> we're going to have to make sure that they get rid of them. the general is right about...

>> that could get to the yard real quick. real quick. use it, throw it, flush it, you're done and over with. >> you could go into somebody's heart, pop a jugular vein, hit, take an eyeball out. >> and then you clear the evidence. >> then you clear the evidence and your work station is clean. >> no detection. next on "lockup: extended stay," whether you're an inmate doing your time -- >> i did everything i could to avoid the situation. >> -- or a veteran correctional officer. >> he was going for the jugular but he just missed. >> your life is constantly at risk in san quentin. la is not an or...

It can be made. sometimes who is it used for. sometimes for us. sometimes for another inmate. >> you got to have air going to the bottom of this thing, or else it will start smoking real bad. temper it in here. let it get in the cold water because then it hardens it. makes it stronger. look it. and that is what you come out with. what you do here, you can either put a tip on it right here, sharpen it down on concrete to where you would have a piece that -- it's actually -- >> just a matter of minutes. this wouldn't even be detected in a metal detector at all. >> no. >> something to get to the ...

Bombs, why are we using it right now when we had it since 2003. what is the change here? >> inauguration day with the change. when it was developed it was designed to take out a tunnel complex, cave complex or underground facilities like nuclear places, kim in north korea, it served a dual purpose, killed a lot of bad guys which is a good thing and serve to deter other bad actors from acting bad. those two things, the best use for military hardware ever is to stop somebody from doing something that makes us use it. if it stops any of the bad guys, vladimir putin, assad, kim in north korea, fro...