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Heunder toad that one of the obligations of the vice presidential nominee was going to be a national debate. there were many other reasons why he chose biden. so, there is no substitute for experience. he does have an advantage on this stage. he knows what it likes to be on these stages. most of the other candidates have never been there. >> you talked about how he's more disciplined than given credit for. here's an example of that from a 2007-2008 debate. take a listen. >> an editorial in "los angeles times" said, in addition to his uncontrol verbosity, biden is a gaff machine. can you reassu...

Pleased with that particular answer? >> if he put a full stop at the end of economy, that would have been excellent. but this is where he takes it. i cringe every time he uses the word witch hunt. it's like leave it alone, move on. you've been given the oval office. love it, cherish it. show america you can do something. i think he thinks he's done something with the economy being where it's at right now, he credits himself. so this president really thinks his reelect is a layup. he thinks a guy like joe biden is a gaff machine. he doesn't look at himself and realize he's also a gaff machine. ...

To do -- >> at some point he's going to have to do more and he's going to have to efficiently live up to that. he can't be all things to all people. what he can't be is the bad joe biden who's a gaff machine, who's sort of untethered from his message, undisciplined. i don't know that joe biden is still around, but if he is they ought to keep him out of the way for a while. >> i have a theory about the same way for first time around your guy trump nothing stumped him of course they wanted him so bad. i flipped that upside down. they want him so bad because people feel he can beat donald trump. ...

Gaff machine. what do they say, a gaff in washington is when a politician tells the truth. he says i'm so honest, i make a lot of gaffes. he has a terrible voting record, terrible instincts. he has no charisma, can't raise a lot of money. that's not really his problem. >> dana: juan, i wanted to ask if joe biden says he's the most qualified and he's going to go out there, there's a big part of the party that's move very far left and joe biden would have to explain to them why he was on the other side of all those issues for the last 30 years. >> juan: the interesting thing is that joe biden cl...

Can that gaff machine win? >> that's part of his charm. that's part of his charm, sean. all those gaffes? you can pull the string, and it's a gaffe-o-matic. i think biden has a lot of the charm. a lot of the charm of trump. he looks like a working class guy, rolls up his sleeves. trump doesn't look like a working class guy, but he relates to them. he has a way with people that is endearing. i know he's infuriating to a lot of people. but biden also has that. he has the fluidity on the stump. if he makes a gaffe, somehow people find it oh, that's just joe. so i think he's going to be a lot hard...