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On trade agreements so what exactly is he getting at here? our workers may be more productive overall but that doesn't get us anywhere toward solving the problem china clearly proposes and is clearly a threat to us in this century. >> competitors running against him, a lot of his advisors, people speculated is better for him to stay home because we almost get something that will stir up controversy every time he talks. >> did you notice in his voice? there is a lot of good in joe biden. i like about a personal basis but he's prone to say almost anything and he has always been a gaffe machine w...

>> at some point he's going to have to do more and he's going to have to sufficiently live up to that. he can't be all things to all people. what he can't be is the bad joe biden who is a gaffe machine, who's sort of untethered from his message, undisciplined. i don't know if that joe biden is still around, but if he is they ought to keep him out of the way for a while. he might just get the nomination before that joe biden gets out. >> olivia, i have a theory about the same way for first time around your guy trump nothing stumped him because they wanted him so bad. i flipped that upside down....

Candidate. >> sandra: someone from that party. >> one person's gaffe is another person's straight talk express, right? people love donald trump because he supposedly authentic and real and says what he thinks off the top of his head. he tweets without filter. so i don't see how joe biden is going to be hurt by being a gaffe machine. i think that out of the group of 23, 24 people that are now running -- i frankly am losing count as well. i do believe we have to remember the 2016 electoral map is the same in 2020. what does that mean? i've said it a million times because i'm from ohio, you have ...

Nobody is going to do more to listen to voters, to talk about his ideas, his solutions. so i think you will see nobody working harder on the campaign trail than joe biden. >> how much people do you expect to come to philadelphia for this rally today? >> the site will hold about 2,000 people, so something in that area. but we're excited about the energy here and we think we think it will be a great event. >> thank you for your time. phillipe, i want to turn to you first and talk about how you look at what happens in 2016 and use that as a way you can see what went wrong, what didn't work in 2...

Know? >> thank you. >> these rules don't mean anything anymore. the conventional wisdom about biden being a gaffe machine. the president lies. >> the bar is different. >> we're sort of judging him by normal standards when we're in a totally abnormal era. >> so right. >> what could have sunk a presidential candidate in 1988 doesn't get a cough. >> maybe it's what we need. >> two pin knowing yocchios. >> not only does it not get a cough, it makes him authentic. absolutely. after this presidency biden's previous liabilities are no longer going to be seen in that light to the point whether he's a ...