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The democrats who just want more. paul: that was the budget control act of 2011, kim, and bill's right, that did reduce spending on domestic accounts and defense for a while. but after a while, after a time, the limits on defense spending became so onerous that you couldn't really live with them. so -- and then now we're back at the same old game wher where boh sides get more spending and the debt increases. is there any way out of this that you see? >> lets let's be clear, there in appetite in the republican party for more spending constraint. if you look at the house vote this week, it was p...

The democrats who just want more. paul: that was the budget control act of 2011, kim, and bill's right, that did reduce spending on domestic accounts and defense for a while. but after a while, after a time, the limits on defense spending became so onerous that you couldn't really live with them. so -- and then now we're back at the same old game wher where boh sides get more spending and the debt increases. is there any way out of this that you see? >> lets let's be clear, there in appetite in the republican party for more spending constraint. if you look at the house vote this week, it was p...