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mccarthy is getting support from former president donald trump but that support has failed to move the needle in his direction, not even by one vote. meantime democrats are relishing the leadership chaos on the other side. senior congressional correspondent chad pergram tells us where things stand right now. a long day today. good evening, chad. >> bret, things are getting worse not better for kevin mccarthy. his support is eroding. mccarthy says he's not backing down. now even a couple democrats are fishing for a deal. the support of former president trump failed to help mccarthy to...

Disagree with him and it won't be the last. the fact here is -- i'm not going through a list of who he is endorsing or not endorsing. >> bret: i understand. >> i'm standing up for the people who sent me here to stop doing the same old thing. stop spending money we don't have. >> you are saying kevin mccarthy is the swamp and that if he was speaker, that it would be more of the same? >> what i'm saying is. >> is that what you're saying. >> what i'm say something the people been here cari carrying t the status quo give us the rules necessary to make sure we can check it, stop it and stand up for...

The democrats who just want more. paul: that was the budget control act of 2011, kim, and bill's right, that did reduce spending on domestic accounts and defense for a while. but after a while, after a time, the limits on defense spending became so onerous that you couldn't really live with them. so -- and then now we're back at the same old game wher where boh sides get more spending and the debt increases. is there any way out of this that you see? >> lets let's be clear, there in appetite in the republican party for more spending constraint. if you look at the house vote this week, it was p...

The democrats who just want more. paul: that was the budget control act of 2011, kim, and bill's right, that did reduce spending on domestic accounts and defense for a while. but after a while, after a time, the limits on defense spending became so onerous that you couldn't really live with them. so -- and then now we're back at the same old game wher where boh sides get more spending and the debt increases. is there any way out of this that you see? >> lets let's be clear, there in appetite in the republican party for more spending constraint. if you look at the house vote this week, it was p...

Give a clean debt ceiling to obama? >> i think the debt ceiling is a big issue. when i go home, everyone i meet says you cannot pass the debt ceiling without having a spending constraint. you can't do that, you can't give the president a blank check. really, i think it was a huge mistake, and it devalues what we stand for, to say we're going to give you an unlimited amount of money to spend. for a period of time. >> do you think that the average person in the country knows that if the republicans came back in power in the house and senate, what their agenda would be? because i don't think they...