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Six-point lead, but do you think there's anything to that at all, that pollsters are being told, i'm voting for clinton or i'm undecided, when in fact they're for trump? >> yeah, listen, this is the skewed polls of 2012, the version we're using in 2016, i don't know a serious pollster, republican or democratic, who believes this -- >> but, bob, that's the question -- >> i know a lot of republican strategists who say it's just i don't think. >> but you believe in the jesse helms/gantt senate race, gantt won, even though helms was doing better in the polls, because people wouldn't say they were ...

>> would that affect the poll numbers? >> it would affect the poll numbers -- >> no, it wouldn't. >> bob -- >> tell me how it wouldn't, bob. enlighten me. >> i'll tell you how it wouldn't. there's no difference between the internet polls where people are, for example anonymous -- >> well, there actually has been some difference. >> so all of the polling experts -- trump shaming is the skewing of 2016. it's not real. >> bob, let me ask you two numbers questions about polling. number one, given where you think the race is, what do you think trump's floor in the national four-way popular vote is?...

But trump in the battleground state has not moved much at all. take pennsylvania, where a monmouth university poll shows clinton with a one-point lead. in florida, a poll out sunday by cbs news shows clinton with three-point lead amongst likely voters, 46-43, also within the margin of error. and in ohio, the most recent poll there we look at from suffolk university has the race tied at 44%. all of those states are must-wins for trump, but he has not faded there the way he has nationally. so john, what are the possible explanations for the discrepancy between clinton getting to a big national l...

People who might be some who are not going to like their premiums going up. but the idea this is going to revolutionize the way. most republicans have hated the law for a long time and will hate it even more, but it's not going to change the dynamics of this presidential campaign, meaningfully. >> if somehow republicans, not just for candidates, but others could be in a disciplined way to talk about this, i think it could make a difference. >> i thought we were talking about the presidential race, primarily? >> i'm talking about the whole campaign. thereity, almost every republican on the ball...