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A very optimistic picture for us to start this conversation. with me tonight "new york times" editorial board member and msnbc contributor mara gay, msnbc contributor mike barnicle is in the house and beth fuhy here on set. david ruecker joins us also. let me dip into your historical perspective if i can. the country as divided as it has ever been going into an election season. impeachment is ramping up. how do you explain how quickly the nation has pivoted from one point saying no to impeachment, no to removing the president to now this gap narrowing so quickly in a month. >> in terms of hist...

To november use him on the stump? >> i would imagine that in some of these states. i think wisin would be an interesting place to watch that. a state that he won by one point. in the primary, both candidates are trying to run on trump. in the general election, his approval rating is under water. so i don't think he would come to a state like that. but i think you can see him go to utah, south carolina. that makes the mid-term cycle interesting. >> and the passion on the left because they don't like him. is there still as much passion there to swap the house? that's what they hope for. >> yeah,...

Ar ticulate the difference. >> as we see this gap narrowing, are democrats not articulating that the governor talks about, losing the pr war in wisconsin? >> i don't think we are, thomas. we receive scott walker and his allies have spent $25 million to $30 million. we had our democratic primary last week and i think we're now getting close to parity in spending. i think the people in wisconsin know we need a new governor. we need someone to bring the state together, heal wounds and focus on bridging jobs back and that person is tom barrett wchl ee gore doi >> what do you thing the ramification...