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>> neil: to ben stein's comment about being a smooth you know what, i mean, that's a pretty good answer. but gary k, i was at the democratic convention where the president was bragging about our dependence on foreign oil, at an all time low and getting lower. something doesn't mix. >> i think the saudi royal family probably has box seats to all the washington redskins games this year at this point in time. look, i'm a cynic, i believe bernanke 50-some odd days before the election printing money to get the markets higher, i think something's giving here. i've never seen the saudi want oil price...

Replace ben bernanke with ben bernanke. he wants someone else. and he said this throughout the primary campaign. the president has been very supportive of bernanke. and i'm just wondering whether it's bernanke's way of saying, i remember what you said, governor, and remember what you've done, mr. president. >> i would just say this to dagen and people who think it's political. have you seen the recent economic statistics and-- >> it's not political ands' responding to-- >> the census data, the middle class incomes are lower than-- >> and less than two months, this couldn't wait. you had to do ...

Acknowledgment that there's a political process. let me just finish, charlie. there's a political process going on and acknowledging right, we get that. we don't have to wait long to get this, but let's wait until after the general election. >> and obviously, that's what they were thinking, gary, that you know the ends will justify the means, but i always discover, you never get to the end. >> and it's never going to get done. look, spending for whatever reason just continues to go higher and higher and higher and all of this rhetoric from both sides, even from the government side is not going...

Taxpayers for that and why are we paying for this, especially when we don't have the money to pay for this, gary? >> neil, it's a darn good question. it comes down to three words, enough is enough. we should get some sort of return on our investment. hundreds of millions of dollars going that way. and by the way, a lot of that money we don't know where it went and a lot of it's been lost and been picked up by who knows what. it really has to stop and we need it take it all back and make them earn our dollars, that by the way, we don't have right now and just being conjured up by the fed anyhow...

Else? okay. you think about that (laughter) >> stop me, stop me. >> charlie graasperino, and gary, what do you think about that? you think about the republican side, six months to keep it going so the government doesn't shut down. in so doing that, you increase spending. >> i don't blame the freshmen, i blame the leadership, it comes from the top down and neil, there's no grape fruits in washington d.c. i go back to one simple number. in '08, 2.8 trillion federal spending, 3.7 trillion next year, the baseline budgeting where it always goes up and continues. remember, paul ryan is no freshman a...