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Normal in america. there are pockets of sensational things in silicon valley. most of the country feel on the edge with job security. the drop in oil prices is why it's crushing companies profitability. college graduates are not getting the jobs. that puts a dent in the debt. on top of this, because of terrorism, you have a psychological dynamic. this has been going on for longer than just this fall. gary b., to you. let's talk about the spending with consumers. it's been falling for some time, now, right? >> exactly and rightfully so. suzy alluded to a couple good points. when i look at the e...

Rate has been dropping like a rock. if you track that and oil prices, they are going in the same direction, 62.5%. the jobs that this administration tout are being created are part time jobs. finally, housing prices. there's a good part of the country under water in '07. just for inflation, people haven't made a dime since 2002. no wonder people aren't out there spending. even if you have a job and protesters blocking you at the mall of america from spending your money. >> what that has to do with anything, i have no idea. but, chuck, to you. a lot of people out there would say 550 bucks per c...

Why trust the government there is going to be an increase in the number of jobs or job security or anything. you are holding on to any money they have. they don't want to spend it. it's not going to make you go big at the mall to think i have 500 more dollars in my pocket. you are going to put it away. i want to bring up something that caught my eye. the protest at the mall of america, gary b., you brought it up earlier. what does this have to do with -- what is going on here and what is going on in the minds of americans in this holiday season as they see these protests at the mall of america...

Could possibly sneak into the u.s. with syrian refugees. gary, you say fears over all this is not helping our economy. how so? >> absolutely, brenda. the conventional wisdom has always been we are a strong, resilient country and shrug these off and go about our business. to a large extent that's true. but look in the northeast when there is a the threat of a snow storm. people rush to the supermarket and buy 200 rolls of toilet paper. people panic. i tell you what. if we continue to have increased threats of terrorism and one of them results in something like someone puts a bomb in the holland...

Employees. do you say something else? >> i think it's terrible for business. i don't know why you would stay closed on one of your busiest days of the year. i really think this is more of a marketing ploy. brenda, thanks to you and gary b., we get incredible ratings on this show. think about how much free publicity we're giving them. i think it's a marketing ploy with r.e.i. i think it's bad business to stay shut. >> jonas, you think it could be good for the economy. >> in general it's great that there is more business everywhere. america is the best example of this. there is a thing called ec...