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Here's the catch, they're a cozy operation rub by an obama do nor, but the congressional investigation is after the truth here. i don't understand why a government employee, within i worked at ibm if my manager told me about a program i botched up, gee, i have to take the fifth. you might terminate me. we are trying to get to the with the toll of this. i can't for the life of me physical out why a government employee would take the fifth amendment i think it's horrendous. >> the fbi said they won't file charges. >> they haven't interviewed the witnesses, gary is right. we all have a right to k...

>> our countersystem is so complex. it would over 70,000 pages if you printed it out. that's over 200-fold since the late 1930s. the last time we had tax reform was in the reagan administration. wage growth for the middle class. we saw job creation, economic growth. nothing we have seen in the current period compares to that. so perhaps we should change the failed policies and re-visit past policies that were successful and try something that worked once and for all. >> okay. gary b. >> there were a lot of economic calamities during the bush years. >> blame it on bush again. gary b. i know you...

Whole dam board. it, stand up right now. you'll walk the streets and prevent another doctor 100 million from being spent. >> this is ridiculous! this is nuts. this is crazy. my wife, i give my wife everything. i do anything i can for my wife. i'm sleeping with her. who are you sleeping with? >> whew. taxpayers in a tanzy over the money that this superintendent in california is taking in. nearly $700,000 in compensation. he also got a cushy loan for his house and gary b., you say there is a lot more of this going on than we know about? >> brenda, wherever there is politics, this is going on, es...

They can't even make money with a virtual monopoly in the u.s. postal service. big projects by the government are inherently loaded with pork and bloat and a high government pensions. they just don't work. so if i give a dollar to the government, it comes back to me in the form of about 80 cents or. so add that to the statistics that john gave us running up a debt that we can't pay. my gosh, we will be spending $8 billion a year on interest payments alone. this madness has to stop. it's a pox on both parties. >> that's true. both aisles are definitely at fault here. tracy what do you think? >>...

The american people want results and do we have a debt problem? absolutely. the problem is not today. it's kind of to john's point. we've had a problem all along. we had a medicare part d or unfunded war. the congress is writing connection, we ain't had no money in the bank. i'll be if i will let them bankrupt the american worker on this back end. we need to make sure everybody pays their fair share. we also should keep our debt in mind. >> gary b., haven't we seen this movie before? i mean, job initiatives, manufacturing institutes. green spending. it can work. >> exactly, brenda, you know, c...