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They can't even make money with a virtual monopoly in the u.s. postal service. big projects by the government are inherently loaded with pork and bloat and a high government pensions. they just don't work. so if i give a dollar to the government, it comes back to me in the form of about 80 cents or. so add that to the statistics that john gave us running up a debt that we can't pay. my gosh, we will be spending $8 billion a year on interest payments alone. this madness has to stop. it's a pox on both parties. >> that's true. both aisles are definitely at fault here. tracy what do you think? >>...

And mandatory spending. look, the reason manufacturing is starting resurgence is because of fracking. fracking brought down natural gas. that was an old tax break given to an oil company and we said all these evil oil companies, let's cut out our tax breaks. okay, great, do it. you will sab about $4 billion. president obama says he's going to cut, pay for this by closing loopholes. that is ridiculous. this is a hat track, a hat trick that a magician is trying to pull, pull the wool over america's eyes. it's not working. >> okay. chuck, take on john. >> i don't want to take on john, let's be cl...

Tab. the a.l. got tapped with being politically incorrect. that's going to get passed on to other health insurance, people who don't have bills like that. it's bakally capital communism in a way. >> fit, healthy, eat right. i got to go to john for that. how bass is this going to get? >> i think it will get significantly worse. only time will tell 20 years out if this is a good law or not. right now it looks like it will get much worse. i was an investment banker for yeempls these are very conservative estimates. we are all going to be billionaires in about two years. like mike tyson says, ever...

We were going to do this thing when they changed the social security formula, a big hole for government. they were going to raise more tacks, that deal making seems to be gone now. now it's the old i'll spend on the green initiatives, you get a defense spending budget. >> that leads to more spending with which we can't afford. i think we can solve these problems in a neutral way. lower income tax to offset it. >> that will discourage, consume the energy and encourage working. you can't spend money on credits here and more defense spending to get other people to vote for it. that's the old way ...