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You can rick monetary. >> gary, b., you can respond. >> oh, i don't know whether it's assenine, i'm going with tracy this fact that we are spend sock much money that we don't have. that's and sasha is right, we should throw all the bugs out, start from scratch and elect all libertarians in my opinion. >> there we go. >> we are spending $400 billion less we don't have than a few years ago. houston had a $1.5 trillion discretionary bucket. now that is gong, it's not the old american budget. i think we can work through that. it's not that bad anywhere. >> okay, if that didn't get you fumed up. ho...

At this point stay intact, keep doing what it's doing. >> tracy, where are you on this? i totally agree with gary, that is a tough one. materials are ahead, that i are trading crap over wifi we don't know about right now. ars fam, money, you name it. it is is over the air waves as we speak. we are behind the 8-ball. i don't think we should advertise that we tapped into murk el's phone every once in a while. they are five steps ahead of us, the computers that they pass were people they are watching, foreign, they are watching that could go harm to us. i think gary is right. this is open field, ...

Of our problems with terrorism and other things. to gary's point, we haven't seen an abuse of the use of it. yeah, they're checking a lot of da that. i can't imagine going through data and see we can go through text message force the last three years. why would we want that da to? look what target did with our data. i would rather have the cia and nsa in charge of this and not farm it out to corporate america. i don't think there is anything wrong with the collection if it's used properly. >> thanks, guys, thanks to sasha for joining us. well, this scandal baby prank isn't just scaring incid...

Smoothly. it's essentially to get all the congress to vote for. what they did very smoothly this time, not meeting in the middle, having a shut down, the first in numbers, you are talking ab taking discretionary spending back to the previous administration. i don't know we've done that before. >> that is putting us on a positive direction. it's not perfect. we are still in a deficit. this is as good as it will get out of this current situation. i think we should be glad. >> gary, be as good as it gets? >> i think jonas states it a little bit when he says it's essential. it's essential, bus it'...

>> i don't know what the policy is right now. gary, b. and if the aim is to stop terrorism, should we really be reigning this in? >> exactly, brenda, i guess my thinking to obama's segment is irrelevant. does anyone believe what is going to change with the nsa? do we think we will stop spying on our friends in europe? i think we will continue to psy spy on them. they will continue to spy on us. you know, look, when the irs abuses power, i am all for clamping down, when obamacare says i'm all for getting rid of it. i see the history of the abuses with the nsa, john implies that xaen foreign cou...