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>> tracy, aren't you embarrassed if it's paid for by taxpayers on the pa ja ma boy ad? i'm embarrassed by that. >> look. if they are trying to appeal to the younger population, there is a lot who don't know who magic johnson is, with all due respect. he's an old bugger now. if you will advertise, advertise properly. they can even do that right these days. they don't know what they're doing, they can't make it. let's say they can't mailke ads. >> we know who john is, he's the real champion here, john, what do you think about this? >> i love magic johnson, by the way. i am not that demo. i have ...

Ferris, john lay feel, along with sasha burns, welcome, everybody, john, is this the kind of spending why we're in the mess we're in? >> yes, absolutely. this is how politics are done, since 1980, a debt has taken off, except for a few years under bill clinton's reign, since 28, we offered $17 trillion. there is dlur 15 million in here to study catfish for the usda. inte despite they already do it. in place, we owe china $1.3 million. we have for the borrow money from china against itself. this is insane. >> i think china has 18% of the debt. jonas, you don't worry about this spending bill. yo...

President obama announcing reforms to limit nsa snooping. but, john, does it go far enough to protect individuals and businesses? >> no, virtually, there is very few limitations put on this. as a candidate, he says this would never happen, surprise, surprise, guys say whatever they have to, to get elected then they change when they're in office. you already have foreign companies saying they don't want to do business with american companies because of this at some point we have to reign this in, 206 million text messages a day they are gathering. this is absolutely out of control. >> sasha, to...

Smoothly. it's essentially to get all the congress to vote for. what they did very smoothly this time, not meeting in the middle, having a shut down, the first in numbers, you are talking ab taking discretionary spending back to the previous administration. i don't know we've done that before. >> that is putting us on a positive direction. it's not perfect. we are still in a deficit. this is as good as it will get out of this current situation. i think we should be glad. >> gary, be as good as it gets? >> i think jonas states it a little bit when he says it's essential. it's essential, bus it'...

>> i don't know what the policy is right now. gary, b. and if the aim is to stop terrorism, should we really be reigning this in? >> exactly, brenda, i guess my thinking to obama's segment is irrelevant. does anyone believe what is going to change with the nsa? do we think we will stop spying on our friends in europe? i think we will continue to psy spy on them. they will continue to spy on us. you know, look, when the irs abuses power, i am all for clamping down, when obamacare says i'm all for getting rid of it. i see the history of the abuses with the nsa, john implies that xaen foreign cou...