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>> again, there are a lot of other issues in this race as well. voter turnout. what kind of campaign was run. all of these things. >> i'm asking you about this and whether or not the republican party is in danger of alienating hispanic voters and will pay a price for it at the ballot box. >> well, i think there are a couple of ears issues here. first of all, you'll find republicans that believe we have to get border security in place before we get everything else. second, it's hard to have a discussion with the president of the united states on this issue. how do we know when we can enforce so...

>> again, there are a lot of other issues in this race as well. voter turnout. what kind of campaign was run. all of these things. >> i'm asking you about this and whether or not the republican party is in danger of alienating hispanic voters and will pay a price for it at the ballot box. >> well, i think there are a couple of ears issues here. first of all, you'll find republicans that believe we have to get border security in place before we get everything else. second, it's hard to have a discussion with the president of the united states on this issue. how do we know when we can enforce so...

They will use it as an excuse we are not going to touch this with a 10-foot poll presidential poll through the end of the year at least. >> suicide mission, what do you say. >> grass roots republicans do not trust president obama to keep his word on border enforcement or any other aspect of the plan that they do not like. there is not going to be any immigration reform without the acquiescence of the gop gas roots. >> panel stay with us. they will be back later. virginia's seventh president will have a new representative in the house. what are voters there saying? fox news correspondent doug m...

They will use it as an excuse we are not going to touch this with a 10-foot poll presidential poll through the end of the year at least. >> suicide mission, what do you say. >> grass roots republicans do not trust president obama to keep his word on border enforcement or any other aspect of the plan that they do not like. there is not going to be any immigration reform without the acquiescence of the gop gas roots. >> panel stay with us. they will be back later. virginia's seventh president will have a new representative in the house. what are voters there saying? fox news correspondent doug m...

>> there is an awful lot of tension between the grassroots and the establishment in the republican party. the grassroots believe the establishment is ideologically corrupt, they don't really mean it, and the establishment things the gas roots is crazy and are putting up mediocre candidates. the bottom line is not whether you're conservative or hreu or liberal. if you can't, for example, attack abortion without appearing into dores rape yo endorse rape. it's not a question of who is conservative and who is liberal it's a question of who is articulate. martha: what karl was saying last night is ...