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Forrest gump in this situation. he's kind of everywhere but yet we've not heard from him. so i'm glad law enforcement is hearing from him finally. >> all important contexts you add there. you refer to the fact that he was pursued by the january 6th committee and did not ultimately provide that testimony, although he may have found other ways to be somehow somewhat useful. you refer to how this works, again, for folks who aren't as versed in it as you, oh, we need that guy. he was vice president. send him a subpoena today and let's bring him in. you're saying there's a much more organized long-...

Candidacy. that seems like an effort to inject politics into this process and make it harder for the justice department and jack smith to continue because it suggests that they are looking into a current candidate and a rival of the boss of attorney general merrick garland, who's obviously joe biden. so that is a piece of the puzzle in terms of the timing. i think it's a little helpful that we don't know what pence's aspirations are so he's not directly declared his candidacy for the republican nomination. he's a little bit separate from that process. i think you're right though that there is ...

That he's only paying attention to law and the only outer limit is that you can't do it, you know, really close to 2024, november, that's an outer limit, there are a lot of folks who don't think it would be wise or prudent to dilly-dally and make further subpoenas and arrests during a presidential race. i'm curious about that. to ask it in two lanes, you could be getting to top people, wrap it up, say he didn't find a chargeable crime or pence and others could lead to that or a third way. what do you see that's gleanable from this news? >> clearly we're talking about two election time lines. o...

Resources, if they wanted to invested gate it they could raise a lot of questions, congress has subpoena power, department of the justice does not have to sit on its hands yet they are, so-called institutions there to protect us from this, seem to be devoured and controlled by the wrong party in this country, there is joe biden with various connections and his family with various connect, all we keep hearing about is donald trump and his family, they are still under attack and yet there is joe biden, 31 million came into this family, that is appalling, when we come back pelosi, and boehner and...

Invested gate it they could raise a lot of questions, congress has subpoena power, department of the justice does not have to sit on its hands yet they are, so-called institutions there to protect us from this, seem to be devoured and controlled by the wrong party in this country, there is joe biden with various connections and his family with various connect, all we keep hearing about is donald trump and his family, they are still under attack and yet there is joe biden, 31 million came into this family, that is appalling, when we come back pelosi, and boehner and others on capitol hill, we'l...