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Negotiate -- we've been talking about the president's opening line of negotiations. harold and i are concerned. we think that he's made john boehner's job exponentially more difficult. but everybody else around the table -- and we're outnumbered, harold and i, think it's much ado about nothing. it's just an opening offer. where do you stand on it? >> i'm a little in the middle on this. i think ultimately both sides have to get to this pain point. and i think the president's a long way from there. but he may still be preparing the ground for it. i mean, you know, we can't just have a reprise of...

That was remarkable. eric cantor on this show said, we have to raise additional revenue. republicans have stepped forward and said that. if i were a sitting member of congress right now, a guy on this show who has said for years we have to make a deal, my response to john boehner would be very simple. just stop talking to him. don't talk to them until they make a serious offer. just don't. because this is, after all, a party that's been running the u.s. senate for years, and they've never produced a budget. if they want to offer us something serious, great. if not, well, we'll just sit back an...

Medicaid and medicare, you are going to end up paying somewhat of a political price for this. whereas when you look at the public opinion polls raising taxes on the top 2% tends to poll very well. so i do think there are political advantages to forcing -- >> shouldn't they leave the room and figure out? come on, now. >> no, no, no. >> there are staffers behind the scenes. >> what they need to do is they should get on airplanes, and at taxpayers' expense, they should fly around the country, and they should run this like they're still running in a political campaign instead of sitting down acros...

>> well, they put on $400 billion in medicare cuts. so there were some specifics in there. but was it a hardball opening? yeah, of course it was. the question is, what's the counteroffer, right? they're trying to not just provoke a no. they want the counteroffer. and the counteroffer is, what is it? there isn't one. >> it looks like right now it will probably come back now as $800 billion in new revenue, probably higher specific cuts. >> you forget one extra demand, of course, which is ban the debt ceiling piece. that's huge, right? that's, like, unilateral disarmament. we're going to offer yo...

Largest companies in the country, the biggest in the world, suggesting that one, they might redomicile to a different country, that they're concerned about not only tax rates but regulatory -- the regulatory regime, i'm just not sure that this will sit well. >> that's what i was going to ask you. here we are a year later after we've been through this fiasco already. we've been through the threat of a government shutdown. everybody's known this time was coming. i understand negotiating. i understand taking a hard line. i just wonder, with america and the world, business leaders here, business l...