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With the president and make a deal is worse for the process. now, look. mitch mcconnell, he has a very easy laugh. he's a guy who likes to laugh. so not surprising that he would laugh at the offer. but you've got charles krauthammer writing today basically saying hey, let's go over the cliff. and the president will take responsibility. the biggest danger is now you've got people on both sides saying hey, maybe going over the cliff isn't so bad. for the democrats because they think it gives them leverage and then having a different kind of tax vote than they'd have to have now because everybody...

And to the president, roll up your sleeves, work together and solve the problems. we got the message. did speaker boehner get the message? because the message was work together. what we hear from him is all of his pain and frustration and angst dealing with the tea party in his own caucus. well, there comes a point when he needs to look beyond his caucus to the house and to the nation. >> all right. welcome back to "morning joe." >> i guess the more things change, the more they stay the same. it's depressing, you're right, harold, we've seen this movie before. this was a year ago. this happene...

But does obama really want to start the second term going into recession again? the interesting thing, with this offer on the table, sequestration and the expiration of bush tax cuts for everyone is the best option for republicans right now. but as least under that, you can dispel this notion -- the biggest obstacle is this attitude of the public that we can solve the problem of the debt, we can solve the problem of entitlements just by raising taxes on the rich a little bit. it's fundamentally not true. but my attitude to say all right, fine, let's go with that. let's even go with tax increas...

And negotiations that have to take place. i'm hopeful that the two of you are right. we could be somewhat optimistic two years ago the president said he would not extend the bush tax cuts. he got a deal and extended them all along with don't ask, don't tell, a new treaty between us and the russians, unemployment benefits, payroll tax cut. two, you have the business community which is very, very concerned. and that's where i begin to raise the alarm bells. this is not just a conversation amongst a bunch of washington insiders and washington pundits and press people. and three, you have pedestri...

And they were constantly scheming trying to figure out, okay, how do you get around scarborough, around matt salmon, largent, you know, the usual suspects. he's just made it so much harder for boehner to go back to hc-5 and say, come on, guys, we're going to have to meet halfway, hasn't he? am i missing something here? >> you might have thought that having known the storm clouds over grover norquist and hearing the uprising and all the fury over that that obama was going to have to give them some sort of fig leaf, some sort of concession, say well, yes, we had broken a promise, it was a really...