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Barr seems to almost -- he kind of almost welcomes all of these partisan barbs. they're nasty. being thrown at him. so how important is it that these new investigations unfold without any other interference? >> it's vital. if the democrats hold themselves to the same standards, they would be guilty of obstruction of justice themselves after going after the attorney amgeneral. you put in that long clip of thn democrats criticizing barr, you remember eric holder, barack obama attorney general called himself barack obama's wing man. that's his words. a he called himself his wing man. do you recal...

Decline. how much can you pin this on a strategic shift? >> in terms of the strategy, since the obama and trump administration, consistent. to rely on local partners to fight isis. true in iraq, partnering with the iraqi government and true in syria. built up the syrian democratic forces. where trump changed things ever so slightly, more aggressive in terms of new authorities for both somalia and yemen and in general de moved power down in ranks to make decisions. countries not just iraq and, iraq, syria and afghanistan but countries like yemen where that first botched raid was of president tr...