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Retired four star general barry mccafferty former member of the noourt council new msnbc military analyst, form u.s. ambassador and president of the chicago consular of global affairs. a privilege to speak to both of you. general mccafferty, i want to start with you and john kirby's comments. we've talked about him on this program before. he doesn't -- he doesn't spin, but he seemed to be carefully -- he seemed to be careful about saying the brutal phase is under way, and the fact that the butcher of syria is in charge means the brutality is ongoing. does it also -- is there a worse after you'...

He was, you know, hero of the russian federation for his work in syria, dropping barrel bombs on defensive civilians and poisoned gas. earlier in his career he did the same thing in chechnya. the guy's ruthless. the people that will be most afraid of him are his own generals. we've seen putin as a strategic approach as targeted civilians and their infrastructure with attack from the air and starvation. nothing going to change in that sense. i don't think this general has a joint headquarters. he doesn't have a joint staff. there will be no new dramatic integration of air, land, sea, cyber oper...

And procedures. i recently have been on a commit looking at sexual assault in the military, and when general mccafferty mentioned undue command influence, that was charged when president obama said something about we have to take these cases more seriously and the military did. well, why isn't president trump being charged with the same sort of undue command influence for everything he has done in this case and several others? >> general, i'll reflect on what jill is saying there and i want to add to this something that you probably have seen that came out in the last week or two, and that's f...

Our armed forces are a disciplined, volunteer force of 2.1 million men and women. and they're still in combat. so we've got to maintain our standards, and mr. trump has got to stay out of that. >> always great to have both of you. general mccafferty and jill wine-banks on a very important topic on this saturday. go and have a great saturday. thank you so much. still to come, a pillar of american democracy at risk again, a new report detailing the russian threat to your vote. how they've already hacked the voting system and what, if anything, can be done to stop them. at lib butchumal- cut. l...

That special operations community whose courage and dedication has kept us from having a dozen more 9/11s, they've been out there in combat for 19 years. it's time to recheck their system of discipline. i think there's too much disturbing evidence of malfeasance on the part of the special ops community. >> jill, putting on your prosecutorial hat, your general counsel hat here with this new information that's come out, he has been pardoned, but what might happen with this new information, whether in military court or in civilian court, if at all? >> well, first of all, i agree with everything t...