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Separatist movement argued to be aligned with russia. how does this play out, in your view, general mccafferty? >> we already know there was a missile launch and from where it was launched. my guess is, nsa is aggressively monitoring the communications of the separatists and the russian military. so we'll know the chatter that preceded and followed this apparent shoot-down. and third, i think what we ought to start with, it was an accident. people are now trying to cover up the accident. it's in an area not controlled by the ukrainian government. so getting investigators on the ground to very ...

Though, i was pleased to hear the president be very n noncomittal. we need to hold our fire until we know what is involved in this. the u.s. armed forces. i doubt this is going to spread. the russians are undoubtedly fearful intervening in eastern ukraine. but they are pushing sophisticated military equipment across that border and, in this case, i'll bet you that's what happened. we had an sa-17 crew not glued in to a larger radar control system that mistakenly shot down a commercial airline. that's probable outcome. >> general mccafferty, given the fact that the nsa is watching this region, ...

United states. and general mccafferty is saying that these could have come from russia into rebel-held territory, people that don't know how to use them. talk about how that will affect the united states. >> clearly you're right. we seem to be entering into a second cold war here between the united states and russia. if in fact it is true that the russians have been supplying the separatists in ukraine with these surfaced air missile systems, we're not talking about a shoulder-fired rocket. we're talking about the big type of missiles pulled on tractors, pulled through a red square 20, 30 year...

They are looking at that all the time. it's a national security matter. they are competing in convoluted forces at play here. how does this work? if you're one of the families, you want this investigation done. >> that's right. i think the families will get some answers although this is a critical time for him. i listened to general mccafferty. what they are saying, to take those thoughts as an investigator and as a commander, that would be major league category that you are pursing. who has the capability, who has the vehicle launch vehicles that can do this? who has the capability, number on...

The ukrainian armed forces are about to seize the city. we're going to see a significant high-intensity war in eastern ukraine. so the russians are complicit in fueling this, their own people they view in eastern ukraine and there's a giant civil war going on and they are hand-fisted in the way he goes about it. because he's harming himself in the actions that he's taking. >> general mccafferty, thank you for your time and your services. let's bring in hostage investigator jim cavanaugh. great to have you back. you're experienced with investigations, with explosions. as krystal mentioned earli...