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but watch and i'll get you there. >> when you start turning around lawyers with the defendants that are defending the clients. we start to live in a fascist state. >> that is not much of a defense? ? >> he served as trump's attorney during the election. do you expect that he's going to vote the fifth amendment? or a sequel to argue attorney-client privilege as so many have done? >> i think is going to invoke any privilege he can pick up. realistically, has been told he's a target, he should. it'll be foolhardy to go in there and answer questions. i think he will try attorney-client p...

as so many have done? >> yeah, i think you will invoke any privilege he has to think of. realistically, now he has been told he's a target, he should. it would be foolish not to -- they'll try attorney-client privilege which i think is dubious because it does not apply to conversations that aren't -- he will take the fifth if he has to, look, it is his right to do so. and as you said, there are investigations swirling around. there came this moment lace last week when we were so deep in mar-a-lago discussions, which remains important, but at one point on thursday night. oh yeah, this...

Sure we did not generate stigma. and so i have not work in hiv public health for many years. and specifically, working with the lgbtq a+ community. having that intentionality, learning from the history of other infections that did not go the right way, like hiv. from the perspective of generating stigma. it became clear that the right strategy is really to provide clear messaging and guidance to people that made sense. and was really across the board the right sort of information based on the data and knowledge we had. and then, really focus on communicating through trusted messengers to peopl...

Other infections that didn't go the right way like hiv, from the perspective of generating stigma. it became clear that the right strategy is to really provide clear messaging and guidance to people that made sense. handles really across the board the right sort of information based on the data and the knowledge that we had. and then, really focus on communicating through trusted messengers to people that the lgbtq i plus community listened to. to make sure that we get the word out, you know, i think that's really the strategy. it is really the focus on how the virus is transmitted. and being ...

Taken off. it's very media friendly. the policy is, in fact, very terrible and awful for rape victims but i think when we focus on rape and the most extreme stories we really run the risk of creating this hierarchy of acceptable and unacceptable abortions and women who are deserving of care and coverage and women who are not. i think it just increases that. >> this point that even as we're trying to fight for women's reproductive rights we end up generating stigma. it's so present in this particular case. i want to listen to a michigan state legislator who was telling her story from the floor ...