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26. What did that come to mean . My understanding, ambassador sondlands use of that term was the three people in charge of ukraine policy during the summer where he, gordon sondland, ambassador volker and secretary perry. What did you come to, when did you come to learn about mr. Giulianis role and what do you consider his role to have been . I first heard about former mayor giulianis interest in ukraine in january of this year, that was a different phase than what happened during the summertime. Was it normal to have a person who is a privat citizen take an active role in foreign diplomacy . I did not find his particular engagement normal, no. Now, Ambassador Taylor, you testified that there are two channels, a regular and irregular. What did you see as Rudy Giulianis role in ukraine policy . Congresswoman, i came to see that mr. Giuliani had a large influence on the irre ....
Shook the confidence of a close partner in our reliability, and that that s not what this proceeding is about. time of the gentlemen expired. that s not what this time of the gentleman xpeered. did you want to finish your answer? no. i m good, mr. chairman. i recognize mr. carson five minutes. eyield to the chairman. thank you f follow-up on earlier questions about ambassador, sorry, about president zelensky s statements after this scandal came to light, when he was asked, were you pressured, how the phone call, et cetera. ukrainians, mr. kent, are pretty sophisticated about u.s. politics. are they not? perhaps. you would agree that if president zelensky contradicted president trump and said, of course i felt pressured. they were holding up $400 million in military assistance. we have people dieing every day. if he were to contradict president trump directly, they ....