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Of both chambers and a lot of states because of the activist groups that are well funded by people who definitely want social change? i mean, or is this really coming from someone who is elected and genuinely goes back to his or her office and sits down and writes this? or is this stuff you think being corporately handled to them and then of course they don't want to become a target at election time, they'll go along with the fraternity? >> i think it's a little bit of both and you're right, thigh thai get into the position, these crazy right-wingers throw up all this stuff and in step these p...

Right conservatives in sort of -- who see him as a victim here. how cognizant do you think the democrats are of this issue of overreaching? >> i'm not sure. i'm a bit surprised at their willingness to discuss their strategy and to put it out there and to claim credit and to be so voluminous in their e-mails and videos and mockery because the real danger for them sl that the elements of this scandal that are spontaneous and organic, people being sort of genuinely outraged at the nature of these allegations, will be swamped by the sense that it's partisan and being trumped up by people who have ...

Just because it's a thought doesn't mean i'm going to act upon it. >> and if you are real, you show a genuine concern, it's immediately shot down with, oh, well, this is the answer to that instead of, well, let's approach this genuinely. just, like, oh, well -- >> so they had stock answers for everything? >> yeah. >> i was willing to believe anything they said because they were obviously more spiritual than i was. what do i know about god's voice? that's half the reason i went to the academy, to learn more about god's voice. >> anybody else? that's pretty strong right there. >> david hasz give...

I think it's tremendously unfair. not who he is. if you look at his rise in massachusetts, he appealed to the first generation and second generation pride, families off the boat struggling to make it in the tough towns in the new bedfords and lawrences of massachusetts. and looked at the story of michael dukakis, and looked at his family and what he achieved in life and where his family had come from and took an enormous amount of pride. that's the story of the creation of modern massachusetts. that's the story of the creation of modern america. the other thing i would say about dukakis, the r...

Are basically demonized. >> piers, time out. just go back and watch yourself say that for a minute. it may be okay for the poor. there are several billion human beings who will be thrilled to have a pope who believes that christ loves them, wants to wash their feet, wants to feed them, wants to embrace them. if we would just, you know -- in the middle of all of the elites' angst about their personal lives, if we could look for a second and say won't it be amazing to have a pope who genuinely focuses in the tradition of saint francis on helping the poorest among us? >> listen, great respect, mr...