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As a cold war ploy gesture, but also because kennedy wanted to demonstrate that the so-called lethargy of the past years was put aside, and youth and vigor was at hand. that said, it is not close to where science is interesting anymore. we're building wonderful telescopes. and we have rovers on mars, it is not quite fair to say we're out of the space business or out of that frontier. >> joe? >> i agree with george, i think look -- >> are you surprised? >> yeah. >> i think i am. we didn't abandon o-- george buh started the retirement of the shuttle for some of the reasons that charles pointed o...

Also because kennedy wanted to demonstrate that the so-called lethargy of the past years was put aside, and youth and vigor was at hand. that said, it is not close to where science is interesting anymore. we're building wonderful telescopes. and we have rovers on mars, it is not quite fair to say we're out of the space business or out of that frontier. >> joe? >> i agree with george, i think look -- >> are you surprised? >> yeah. >> i think i am. we didn't abandon o-- george buh started the retirement of the shuttle for some of the reasons that charles pointed out. it is dangerous and also mor...

Tell you what states a little later. one more story for you here, bill. the president plans to skip this year's kennedy center honors. saturday the white house announced that the president and the first lady would not participate to, quote, allow the honors to go without any political distraction. the announcement came after several honorees declined to attend the gala at the white house. writing in a statement, quote, in choosing not to participate in this year's honors activities, the administration has signalled its respect for the kennedy center and ensures the honors gala remains a spec...