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Into court and basically said that when brad raffensperger had the phone call that mark meadows had set up between him and donald trump that there was no lawful way to change the outcome of the election. so i think it was a pretty tough day. that said, it s a low threshold for mark meadows to show in order to have this removed to federal court. so i don t think we have any great insight as to what will happen. but i don t think it was a particularly good day for him. i have to say most attorneys i spoke with last week said to me they would be surprised if he did in fact take the stand. so the fact that he did today, how risky do you think that was for him? it s incredibly risky. most criminal defendants would not testify under oath about the actual facts of the case in an evidentiary hearing that has nothing to do really with your actual trial. don t forget he hasn t seen the evidence yet, he hasn t sat through the whole trial. if he were going to testify at his trial, would be aft ....
Table. it was like a hail mary, i think, approach to this whole thing. he s putting all eggs in this basket trying to get the case removed to federal court. and i think because that s step one. step two see, i was just doing my job, he will argue, and therefore the supremacy clause, which is a defense that would give him immunity from prosecution in state court. it s a higher bar to get to that threshold, but this is the first step in that entire process and in that strategy. and i think that s what he s trying to do. one thing that s interesting, ryan, you and erin have talked extensively about could mark meadows, right, perhaps be working with jack smith in a separate investigation? the fact, though, that he took the stand today, the fact that we heard so much of what we did hear from him, that would lend a nonlegal scholar like myself to say didn t look like he s working with jack smith. and you d be right. it certainly does not look like he s fully cooperating or ....
Political warfare to lie and try to politically damage the president, house republicans should work with him on the issues that really matter to the american people, like lowering costs and creating jobs or strengthening healthcare and education. you can see democrats already trying to use this as a political liability against republicans. and mccarthy knows that. but he is also under immense pressure from both his right flank and former president donald trump. clearly he s going to come out of the gate swinging as soon as august recess is over. i m alex marquardt here in the situation room. thank you so much for watching. erin burnett outfront starts erin burnett outfront starts right now. captions by vitac www.vitac.com outfront next, trump fumes. the former president vowing to appeal after a federal judge sets a march date for his election interference trial. and now all eyes on mark meadows who testified today hoping to move his georgia case to federal ....
Defendants here, at least things that might be patently criminal or obviously criminal. so, does that lead him to a place where he wants to make a deal, where he s more willing or possibly in a better position to come to some agreement with fani willis? but, of course, he has a federal case potentially to participate in as well. so i think it s really quite you know, it s kind of chaotic at this point in time, but i think if mark meadows is in a position to make a deal and the d.a. wants to do that, that could also spell a lot of trouble for donald trump. a lot to be seen. but i also think, again, i think that mark meadows this is a big threshold question too because there are other people who want to get into federal court. so if mark meadows can t get into federal court, it s really unlikely that they will be able to as well. that was the next question i think we have. when we look at what happened with the doj today in terms of setting this trial date, trump s ....
Here, it also comes just two months before the start of his classified documents trial. so, as you can see here, these dates are really colliding, not just with one another but with the republican primary calendar. on social media, trump says he s going to appeal this march 4th date for the criminal trial. just a reminder, that is where he s accused of staging a conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election. but those aren t the only developments tonight. we do also want to take a close look at what s happening in fulton county, georgia, today. trump s former chief of staff mark meadows on the stand for some 3 1/2 hours, hoping to convince a judge to move his case to federal court. meadows testified he was simply doing his job. he was serving the president of the united states when he set up meetings and called georgia officials to ask about election fraud. that argument, though, undercut by georgia s secretary of state brad raffensperger who said the infamous 2020 call with trump ....