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And in the process of that, we kick up different things. we're just trying to follow the facts and understand as much as we can about this presidency. >> michael schmidt, good work tonight. you know you're always welcome on this broadcast, michael schmidt, co-author of the "new york times" story. eli stokels, kimberly atkins, chief washington reporter for the boston herald, and gerald bash, also former counsel to house intel. kimberly, as both lawyer and journalist and a unique dual role in this conversation, how big is this? >> this is very big. i mean, this is an important piece in what we'v...

Get out? >> i'm not sure. there is a lot of things that went on inside of this white house that we still don't know about, but every day we go out and we try and figure out as much as we can, what are these people telling mueller? what is mueller looking at? why is mueller focusing on certain issues rather than others? and in the process of that, we kick up different things. we're just trying to follow the facts and understand as much as we can about this presidency. >> michael schmidt, good work tonight. you know you're always welcome on this broadcast, michael schmi schmidt, co-author of the...

Is evidence -- it could be evidence that shows intent, an intent to stop this investigation, an intent to get in the way. and as this obstruction aspect of the investigation moves forward, this is going to be something that's very important to robert mueller and his investigators. >> gerald bash, who admits to being a harvard-educated lawyer himself, how big is this? >> the code does state someone who does endeavor to try to impede or stop an investigation is guilty of an offense. so there is an intent in the statute, brian. but i would think the prosecutor would not bring charges on that basi...

Of comey, then the pressure on other officials including members of congress, to message the frustration about this investigation and ultimately an attempt to fire robert mueller, which he was told would be, at the very least, politically catastrophic and then an apparent shift back. i think it's also interesting that the story said that the president mulled the idea of firing a deputy fbi director rod rosenstein. so i think all of this together is evidence -- it could be evidence that shows intent, an intent to stop this investigation, an intent to get in the way. and as this obstruction aspe...

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