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Needed voting rights and our very democracy is at risk. they don't give a dang about that. you work with these republicans. are there two republicans in your view who might be open to doing what manchin and sinema will not and go ahead and make the changes needed to the filibuster in order to have voting rights? are there two republicans? >> i know of none. again, there is a lot of focus on two democrats but the reality is we have 50 republicans who do not believe that we have a problem with voting in america. and we do from the dark money pouring in, republicans are blocking simply disclosing...

Could give him the house. we talked about the threat for democracy in the future, but it's threatened now, is it not? >> it is. after the 2020 census this was a concern that journalists had that they would be in the position to pick the voters as opposed to the candidates. there are some states in which democrats have a similar advantage and they were able to gerrymander the map for candidates. there are more republican states that are in a position to lock in republican seats whether they want them or not and compounding that problem at the federal level there is legislation in the senate tha...

Democracy and voting rights and on this gerrymandering problem in particular. thank you so much for making time tonight. >> thank you so much, rachel. i'll tell you, paul waldman was writing about this at "the washington post." i thought his headline on it was almost perfect. he said the redistricting apocalypse is here. republican campaign more than a decade in the making comes to fruition. its goal is not merely to give republicans an advantage in close elections, its goal is to make elections irrelevant so that no matter what voters want, republicans always stay in power. that is the game...

Or out-litigate gerrymandering. congress has to pass legislation to protect voting rights. there simply is no substitute right now. hopefully all of the voter suppression, all of the extreme gerrymandering we're seeing right now is a wake-up call for congress to act. that yes, this economic legislation is critically important, but nothing, nothing is more important than protecting american democracy. >> ari berman, senior reporter at "mother jones" magazine, who has just been a juggernaut on democracy and voting rights and on this gerrymandering problem in particular. thank you so much for mak...