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You quickly about the train and equip efforts we all know and see has been in tatters. any kind of buffer zone would require working with some groups that might not even be vetted to u.s. standards. so should the u.s. turn in that direction and work with, say, groups like -- who have made overtures to working with the u.s. could groups like that be part of a ground effort? >> i think in the end turkey is going to make its own. turkey and arar e sham. they are conservative islamists, but they are not jihadis. the turks are going to work to clear that zone of the islamic state. they are killing ...