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There is a tech firm that maintains the internet service supporting the president of the united states. the guy who is the current national security advisor who just lost the election with hillary gets his campaign lawyer to hire the tech firm to hack into the white house to do get dirt on a sitting president in an effort to show the 2016 election was stolen by russia. and that same guy, jake sullivan now running around hyping up war with russia how we believe a word he says? in october 2016 this could be the most direct link between donald trump and moscow raises more troubling question with ...

>> rob, and then jill. >> yeah, that's not the same as asking them to talk about it as it is to have a concerted effort like the russians did in 2016 to try to actually control the election or to get information out on a political opponent that would ultimately, possibly sway election. that's a very different thing. they ask that question. he didn't answer that question. >> fair. jill? >> well, first of all, i think we should be careful. i've been saying say this, not that. there is a hash tag on twitter. and i don't think we should say "get dirt" because there was no dirt to be gotten. there ...

Needs to be slammed down. the next democrat president of the united states must be impeached. >> you're dealing with people that have been and continue to be obsessed with one thing and one thing only, and that is destroying your duly elected president. >> rob? >> yeah, this is, you know, it's -- if this was just a fringe and it was just reaching a small sliver of the population, you say okay, it's crackpots. it's people -- what they used to call the lunatic fringe. but these are mainstream reports that are reaching 40 to 50% more of the public, and the facts are not disputable here. if you as...

From two separate silos and being stuck in those silos or bubbles, as jill points out. but i would say that even though there was an agreed upon set of facts during nixon, you also had alexander butterfield. you had john dean coming in front of the public, who was the white house counsel saying certain things that resonated with the public. and i submit that if you had mick mulvaney, white house chief of staff trying to explain why they held up that military aid to the ukraine and they have john bolton, the national security adviser, former national security adviser coming on and talking about...