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As all of this starting in the last couple of weeks, these measures are not about the russian people but vladimir putin but as jill points out, slowly, the russian people will bear the brunt of it. the other thing i found interesting that the president said is he thanked bipartisan leadership and specifically, singled out speaker pelosi saying he appreciated her waiting until he was able to get all of the allies on board. was there some aware of or reluctance on the part of countries to be part of this next step, john? >> at all points of this process, erica, european allies will face greater ...

From two separate silos and being stuck in those silos or bubbles, as jill points out. but i would say that even though there was an agreed upon set of facts during nixon, you also had alexander butterfield. you had john dean coming in front of the public, who was the white house counsel saying certain things that resonated with the public. and i submit that if you had mick mulvaney, white house chief of staff trying to explain why they held up that military aid to the ukraine and they have john bolton, the national security adviser, former national security adviser coming on and talking about...

>> yeah, i think you could argue it. both of the clips you just showed, lawrence, are right, congressman buck is absolutely right on january 21st, 2020, president trump assuming he loses, he will not have immunity from prosecution at the federal level. so that's one route, january 21st. the second route is jill points out state prosecutors could still indict. now there is this office of legal counsel opinion that is being talked about that mueller is talking about. that's a federal opinion. that's about federal prosecutions but in our constitutional system, we also have a separate set of prose...

It. both of the clips you just showed, lawrence, are right, congressman buck is absolutely right on january 21st, 2020, president trump assuming he loses, he will not have immunity from prosecution at the federal level. so that's one route, january 21st. the second route is jill points out state prosecutors could still indict. now there is this office of legal counsel opinion that is being talked about that mueller is talking about. that's a federal opinion. that's about federal prosecutions but in our constitutional system, we also have a separate set of prosecutors, state prosecutors that ar...

Think, as far as the position of national security adviser, if they're able to get somebody in there, if they're able to keep that boat steady, that will be a good thing for the trump administration. but this really is going to put an incredible amount of pressure on congress and republicans in congress. they're the ones who have the power to investigate. they're the ones that have the power to subpoena people to go to capitol hill. they're the ones and we've heard from a couple of them now already that have already said they will start looking into these russian connections. specifically, how...