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2016? >> 2016 is a tough call. i don't know. it's hard to look down the road. if the court rules that way, if more states continue -- we're very close in illinois, rhode island, minnesota, delaware. all of these states. >> who would you recommend the next republican candidate for president, he or she, once they're on the platform, nominee, should they support marriage equality? is it smart to echo the democratic nominee, if it's hillary clinton, has already done it? >> i think so. i really think when you look at the age demographics, you know, the folks -- >> 2016. >> yeah. but they're moving ...

Reason. there's something apparently about this constitution they find offensive. because it doesn't -- >> what do you make of the answer by ted olson, who's a pretty smart fellow, making this case. he said, it was constitutional when we as a culture determined that sexual orientation is characteristic of individuals they cannot control. remember trent lott saying you have to make a decision? decide whether you're gay or straight. >> it used to be called a disease. >> yeah. >> we've come a long way toward understanding what, you know, who people are and what they are. and as we -- >> okay. tou...

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>> how about next time? 2016? >> 2016 is a tough call. i don't know. it's hard to look down the road. if the court rules that way, if more states continue -- we're very close in illinois, rhode island, minnesota, delaware. all of these states. >> who would you recommend the next republican candidate for president, he or she, once they're on the platform, nominee, should they support marriage equality? is it smart to echo the democratic nominee, if it's hillary clinton, has already done it? >> i think so. i really think when you look at the age demographics, you know, the folks -- >> 2016. >> y...

You're not going to address it, are you? >> that would make your day if they did. no. you're not going to have that. i was amused by karl rove's musing on the weekend that he could see the 2016 republican nominee, you know, expressing openly his support for gay marriage. i don't believe -- >> that's funny because rove ran that ohio campaign. 2004. >> right. exactly. i don't believe at this point that that is necessarily going to be the case. my caution is this, to the democrats. not that i'm one to caution democrats too much. but, you know, there's one thing to see a poll that says 58% support...