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supervision. yes. you re the medical director. reporter: dr. oliver is in fact a very busy doctor. he runs a private practice, has been medical director at dozens of rehab clinics, and also has found time to appear on tv shows. 200-degree environment you would only survive just a few minutes. reporter: including as a frequent guest on cnn s sister network hln as a medical expert for nancy grace. how he handles all this while overseeing the drug rehab of thousands of california drug medi-c medi-cal recipients is easy he explains. he doesn t see most of the people he oversees who are clients not patients he explains. he admits he wouldn t even know if they are real or as fraud investigators call them, ghost patients. you re helping these clinics bill the state for ghost clients. well, i don t know that they re ghost clients. exactly. so what is your point?