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somebody get back here, if i could get you to stand up. your name is frank? >> yes. i've got two questions. one for marty and one for larry. marty, how many officers do you have dedicated to your graffiti program? and also larry, how many painters or staff is in your graffiti abatement program? >> great questions. >> well, i'm the graffiti guy, graffiti abatement guy. [laughter] (applause) >> as far as the guys i use on my paint overs, i have a group of 3 to 4 guys and i pick them -- they're hand picked by me. i tend to pick guys who are patient, good with kids, guys who are school r...

single mural on any one of their boxes. has anybody had success with them? have you got any suggestionses? because we're tired of painting those boxes. they threatened to sue our city when they tried to get them involved in the mural program. >> i think the one suggestion i might have for you is you start documenting the number of times that you're actually painting out there box and you start generating a bill along with a letter and send it to them. i think that's probably your best strategy so you can show the amount of cost that you're actually spending abating something that's t...

to use for this surface and this is the, you know, a different application we need to use for another surface? and how can you prevent that ghosting? because if it's still there, it's there. just because you remove the pigment doesn't mean that it's gone. and like you stated yourself, when do you say, enough is enough? because if you have an historic building and you want the graffiti removed but you have the ghost there, is it really removed? >> well, historic buildings, dpw would not be removing the graffiti. and remember also on private property, the property owner is responsible ...

lighting, sprinkler systems, relandscaping, fencing. the more we do, the more successful we're going to be. * on the preventive end >> we'll have a quick question, hear from chuck and i know there is a gentleman over there that has had his hand up. go ahead, chuck. >> we have an award winning mural program in the city of hayward, but we have one real strong block and that's dealing with at&t and their control boxes. they will not allow us to touch them. never mind the fact that volunteers have already put 20 coats on that box, okay. they do not want to put a single mural on any one o...

it to them. a lot of times you'll find the board of supervisors members have support for various programs also. we've gotten that after the budget was done in order to fund some of the programs. >> great. do you have another question? >> i have three more. >> you have three more up there, and anybody else going to be wanting to ask a question? okay, we'll get you lined up, then. >> let's see. this is to sharon. your capital city clean up program offers $1500 to private property owners to abate on heritage properties. what are the technical requirements to abate graffiti from heritage...