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Way again? how will these times be written up, do you think? >> well, i think we'll see norms again because there's something, as albert einstein once said about america's democracy that's reassuring, it's like a gier scope. just when you think it tips over, it rights itself. after richard nixon, by pure luck we got gerald ford. i say luck, meaning he had not been elected vice president. and then jimmy carter. and likewise i think we're yearning as a nation for somebody with a certain decency, somebody you don't have to be embarrassed to explain to your children what they just did that day, an...

Morning, read it line by line, was very much saying i'm a unifier. i know how to compromise. and yet like nixon and trump, behind closed doors they just have that very divisive, very spiteful and somewhat resentful chip on the shoulder, and it's so weird that they try to project themselves as healers and compromisers when it's just so alien to what's in their dna. >> walter, all you have done in your adult life is chronicle our times. sometimes by tracing the lives we've seen come and go as signposts. will we see norms ever come this way again? how will these times be written up, do you think?...